As Saturn dies, Jupiter comes alive

There is symbolism in EVERYTHING. 99% of the stuff I write about, I could never personally make up. I’m not that smart. But it doesn’t take a smart person to see through what these occultists are showing and telling us. It only takes some discernment from Jesus Christ. 

Today Cassini dove into Saturn and became “one” with the lord of the rings. Saturn represents Cronos ie Time. I posted a few days ago about the new movie Geostorm and how its connected to Cronos as far as time is running out. I think its safe to say that when you see man made storms like the ones shown in the movie, and hurricanes like Harvey and Irma (with more on the horizon) in our present day, time may be running out. But this is just the beginning of sorrows (birth pains).

In the trailer for this movie a song by The Chambers Brothers called Time Has Come is playing. Here is the lyrical video and keep in mind time is running out while reading the lyrics. Is this movie along with thousands of others telegraphing there punches once again?

Now the interesting thing about Cassini diving into Saturn is the symbolism with time running out. When I watched the video of the Cassini cult waiting for their last transmission from Cassini to cut out, it was a little strange. They were acting like Saturn was no longer going to be around based on Cassini not being there anymore. I saw it as their beloved Cronos was dying or there time had run out to see their dying god. 

Another interesting fact about time running out was the clock Big Ben in London was shutting down on August 21st until 2021. If you remember, this was the eclipse in the United States. So we can see symbolically with Big Ben and with Cassini/Saturn, time is running out. Let me also bring up TIME Magazine’s cover and story for September 25th, 2017. It’s called Irma’s Angels. Time running out. Storms getting bigger. Beginning of birth pains. While all along, man revolts against God ny saying “The storms keep getting stronger. AND SO DO WE.” Even Time magazine is declaring this.

But who gets the torch of Orion? Didn’t Saturn/Cronos have a son? Sure did. His name was Jupiter/Zeus otherwise known as Jupiter Serapis. As one “god” dies, the other comes alive. The false father and son at it again.

So this brings me to this on Saturns symbolic happy death day. Goro Odachi’s article “End of Time: Cassini’s Grand Finali” reminded me of something.

Goro says this in his article about the movie 2010: The Year We Make Contact. “A swarm of Monoliths plunge into Jupiter, triggering a nuclear chain reaction and turning the planet into a second sun called “Lucifer” (in the novel version). In early drafts the planet was actually Saturn. It was only after the special effects team was unable to produce a convincing rendition of Saturn’s rings that they picked Jupiter as the destination in 2001: A Space Odyssey and subsequently in 2010: The Year We Make Contact. The name “Lucifer” ties into the so-called “Lucifer Project“, a fairly popular conspiracy theory that claims NASA’s Galileo mission – plunging into Jupiter on September 21, 2003 – was secretly intended to ignite the gas giant with its nuclear fuel. That of course did not materialize. Not to be deterred, the same idea was applied to Cassini and Saturn, what’s unfolding right now.”

Notice that he said it was originally supposed to be Saturn represented in 2010. Now I don’t know if that was just a front for Stanley Kubrick or what, but you know good and well he was an occultist. His full intention was to have Jupiter represented as the second Sun not Saturn. Even a low level wikipedia occultist could’ve figured that one out. It was symbology at its greatest. The Sun would be birthed but it would be the 2nd sun, not the original Sun/ Son. This even goes into demonic doctrine that Jesus and Lucifer were spiritual brothers ala Mormon theology. 

Now the Monoliths triggered the birthing of Jupiter by being “plunged” into the planet. This is reminiscent of what happened today (9/15/17) with Cassini carrying 72.3 pounds of plutonium 238. We will look at this plutonium in a second. Notice how these monoliths were used for portals and gateways (my assumption) on earth that were directly connected to Jupiter the second Sun (son). They looked like a flattened version of Saturns black cube.

And Ridley Scott will be doing an upcoming Syfi t.v. series called 3001: The Final Odyssey sometime this year.

Now back to the plutonium. Most don’t know but scientists did oppose NASA to putting 72 pounds of plutonium in space. You can read admit it here and here. The first article actually mentions that this plutonium had already crashed into Saturn in April. I mentioned this before because it happened near Passover and I find it odd that they were sending it to Saturn twice. Once at Passover and then now on 9/15/17.

NASA sent it crashing into Saturn on April 22, 2017 “to make sure Cassini is incinerated at the end of its journey to ensure that any of its earthborn microbes do not contaminate the biotic or prebiotic worlds out there,” wrote Dennis Overbye in his front-page story in The New York Times on April 22. (The article didn’t mention plutonium at all.)” (

So what is really going on here with Cassini plunging into Saturn twice? And why would NASA need to bury 72 pounds of plutonium into Saturn? Plutonium 238 is is 280 times more radioactive than plutonium 239 that is used in nuclear reactors. It would kill everyone on this planet if it fell back to earth. And do you remember the nuclear power plants that were in Irma’s way that they were worried about? 

This video covers a news conference held in 1997 at the National Press Club in Washington opposing the launch of the Cassini space probe and was covered on C-Span.

I want to also look at a few things pertaining to plutonium. I have no idea why they would plunge 72 pounds into Saturn but notice what this word actual means and where it comes from. 

Term: plutonium (Pu)

Literally meaning: “pertaining to planet Pluto”

Origin: Πλούτωνας/Plutonas(=Pluto was the god of underworld, son of Cronus and Rea and brother of Zeus. The earlier word of god was Hades/Άδης)

>πλούτος/plutos(=wealth, riches)  The name of god is associated with mineral wealth that is found underground and bountiful harvest because of seeds from deep earth.” (

This word in Greek is used in Revelation 18:17 for the riches that have been made desolate in relation to Mystery Babylon. The word means rich and oddly enough they were using the name plutonium for the metal barium. If you understand Chemtrails then you know how barium is used in them to spray us. Strange they used to call plutonium barium right?

One last thing, Saturn was the sower. He planted his seeds to reap his return. There was a festival in honor of this sowing called Consualia. I mention the connection to the August 21st eclipse here. Now there seems to be some connection indirectly to Cassini’s plutonium being sown into Saturn. In mythology Pluto was also known as Hades the god of the underworld and was the brother of Zeus/Jupiter. Pluto means wealth as in mineral wealth that was underground. Pluto ruled below the earth that produced the harvest that was below ground.  Here is an interesting article about mining for plutonium on asteroids.

So what was this symbolic death of Cassini plungong into Saturn all about? Maybe it was about the harvest that’s to come. The tares.

Jupiter’s Birth (9/9/17) and Scottie Clarke’s Born Again

Some sects of the 923 cult believes that Jupiter is born today (9/9/17). And by Jupiter they mean the church who will be raptured today by 4 am Central time. I’m not even joking. You see, Stanley Kubrick wasn’t an idiot when he made the movies 2001 and 2010. He was 7 years early for a reason. The baby in the 2010 poster is a reborn or born again David Bowman. He becomes a Star Child that was “born again” because of Jupiter. David means beloved and was a King. Bowman means archer and the archer is symbolised through Nimrod the Mighty Hunter. David Bowman is repesented as Nimrod/Osiris who died and then was resurrected as a Star Child Tammuz/Horus with the help of Jupiter and its stargates. 

Let me say it again. He became a Star Child that was “born again” because of Jupiter. Scottie Clarke has a false teaching that claims you are born again at the rapture and the church as a whole is represented as the man-child of Rev 12 which is Jupiter. According to some (and him?), the church is born today (or depending on who you ask maybe the 23rd). Doesn’t Clarke’s false teaching sound a lot like Kubricks 2010? If you need to read his convoluted false teaching for yourself, I posted it in full from his Facebook page. Feel free to message him on FB but beware, he won’t debate you because he claims that specifically goes against Scripture. He must’ve missed the part about not teaching false doctrine. Here is his false doctrine. Enjoy.

The church was NOT “born” at Pentecost. The cart has been before the horse. In researching the true meaning of the Revelation 12 sign, I discovered some major semantics errors in Christian doctrines that once rightly divided and corrected have put all the pieces together. Conception and gestation precede birth. We do not see these before Pentecost in Acts 2.

The church was CONCEIVED at Pentecost. The church age is our gestation period. The rapture is our birth when we will be born again. The term, “born again” interpreted as individual salvation is also incorrect. Salvation is salvation. “Born again” is a promise and the future result of salvation.

The Holy Spirit conceived Yahshua within Mary (Matt. 1:18). He is our Headship (Col. 1:18). The Holy Spirit conceived a new creation, the Body (church) in Jerusalem. We were all born of flesh and water and into sin, but we must be born of the Spirit, born from above (John 3:3) to enter Heaven (John 3:5-6)

Born of water is the earthly man. Born of Spirit is a new creation, the Heavenly man. We are a new creation (2 Cor. 5:17), as is a baby before it leaves the womb. Life begins at conception, not birth. Born again, born from above – is only for those who have been conceived from above as Yahshua was.

The Head was conceived from above, the Body was conceived from above. But no believer has been born again in real time … YET. Just because someone may “feel” they had a “born again experience” does not equate to an actual birth. These are simply emotions to which false semantics have been applied.

The moment of salvation is corrected to be a personal Holy Spirit CONCEPTION, when a person is also incorporated into the Body of all believers, the Body of Yahshua. After personal salvation (conception) when the Holy Spirit enters  an individual, one begins their personal spiritual growth (gestation) along with the corporate Body already in effect. The finale of the gestation is the changing from corruptible to incorruptible at the new birth (1 Cor. 15:52; 2 Peter 1:23).

“Born again” is a future prophecy just like Eph. 2:6 which states that we are seated in heaven with Messiah, which of course we are not. We are still on earth. These may be stated in what seems to be present terms, but they are not. They are future. They are promises. There are numerous scriptures written this way. Similarly, if one buys tickets online to a sports event, the individual may say he “has” tickets, but in reality the tickets are waiting for him at the gate. He only need show proof of identification to receive them at his arrival on game day. His email receipt is a legal promise. The Holy Spirit is YOUR legal promise.

All this said, I must make an important point. This can be a tricky subject because of a perspective distinction. We are discussing here from the perspective of earth time, real time – the timeline of the church. From Elohim’s perspective, who sees the end from the beginning, we are already born into heaven and seated with Messiah on the throne. From our perspective, in real time – we are not there yet. The rapture is our second birth when our gestation is complete and we are born into heaven after being changed so that we are able to be received there.

The bottom line: Major prophetic events happen on the feast days. They are Appointments of Yahshua which He will personally fulfill.

Conception – Pentecost (Acts 2:3-4)

Gestation – Church Age

Birth – Trumpets (Rev. 12:5)

This is what the Revelation 12 sign seems to be telling us. It is on the Feast of Trumpets in 2017 and we seem to be at the end of the church age! When I questioned all of this and rightly divided it, the timeline of the church was revealed as to who we are – a child ready to be born. These “cart before the horse” semantics have been a stumbling block to the church, who never understood the true language of these verses or the great birth story. 

Now we do.

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Shalom, Scottie Clarke


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What is “born again”? Salvation via belief? It never made any sense the way it was taught to us because they taught it backwards. The truth might blow your mind because it is so obvious once you see it. I just received a question under my latest video about this topic and thought I would share my answer. This may rub you wrong for a minute but keep reading. I believe I can show you how this  “born again” idea has been totally misunderstood. Enjoy!

Question: It would seem that these two verses below contradict what you are saying. Are you saying that the believer is currently NOT born again? What do these verses proclaim?

1 John 5:1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.

1 John 5:4-5 For whoever is born of God overcomes the world; and this is the victory that has overcome the world. Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God?

Answer: Firstly, being born again (a second time) is not some mystical, exclusively spiritual experience as we have been led to believe. It is both spiritual AND physical – being changed from mortal to immortal.

A birth cannot take place solely spiritually. It always takes place with a spirit within a body. A body without a spirit is a dead body. And a spirit without a body cannot be born. This works for both a first and a second birth. Messiah said that unless one is born of both water (first birth) AND Spirit (second birth) he is unable to enter the reign of Elohim (John 3:5). These are two distinct births. The first is a natural human birth on earth, and at the second birth one immediately enters into the reign of Elohim – also seen in Rev. 12:5.

Human adults consist of about 60% water. A newborn human baby consists of about 75% water.  When a mother gives birth, her “water breaks”. This is the first birth deriving from a sperm and an egg of water, or the flesh. Corrupted flesh. The second birth is of The Spirit. This birth is exclusively for a person fertilized and birthed first by water, but then also fertilized secondarily by The Father’s Spirit, which is from above, the Seed Incorruptible.

So merely believing is not the second birth. The second birth is the rapture, which is not of corruptible seed, but of Incorruptible Seed (1 Peter 1:23) as Paul said we must be changed from this corrupted state to an incorrupted state. (1 Cor. 15:50-53). As of now, the second birth is future expectation. It is an inheritance incorruptible, undefiled and unfading, which is kept in heaven for us until our deliverance to be revealed in the last days (1 Peter 1:3-5).

Once the second birth takes place, the then incorruptible believer is totally unable to sin.

1 John 3:9 (post rapture) Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God.

This is certainly not the case while we reside within corrupted flesh (first birth).

1 John 1:8 If we say, “We have no sin,” we are deceiving ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The “victory” in 1 John 5:4-5 is the victory over death, the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:54). Just as Christ had that same victory on First Fruits. This victory over death and the world can only occur for an individual by possessing belief before the church age ends at the rapture. Thinking in terms of a natural birth which begins with a sperm entering an egg, salvation is likened to a person (an empty egg) being fertilized by Incorruptible Seed (the Holy Spirit) at which point a person begins their spiritual growth (gestation). The end result is birth, the rapture. The birth does not occur at the beginning of the process. Birth is the end, an exit. Fertilization is the beginning, an entry. Just like the natural system, a woman’s egg is worthless and doomed to destruction each month. It is flushed out with blood if it is not fertilized with a sperm. But once fertilized, it becomes of great value and grows until birth.

In like manner, every human is a mortal, worthless, empty egg doomed to destruction without the fertilization by Incorruptible Seed. But once fertilized, the human becomes of great value and grows until its second birth which is a birth into immortality and an incorruptible nature. This has been taught completely backwards because Revelation 12:5 was misunderstood. Also, certain English translations make future promises seem like they are things we currently have such as being seated with Christ in heaven (Eph. 2:6) which is worded like it is currently true but it is clearly another post rapture prophecy.

We are not seated in Heaven, I am at my desk writing, and you are somewhere reading. These types of promises can be described as, “we have it, but not yet”. We have it now only as a promise, an expectation. When we buy something online, we legally own the item because it has been payed for and we get an email receipt. But do we immediately HAVE the item? No. We have to wait for the day of its delivery. We “have” it, but not yet.

This is how the “born again” promise works. The Holy Spirit is our receipt which we have received via belief that our second birth into incorruptible flesh has been payed for at the cross. So no. No one has been born again … yet. But the promise has been payed for. We have the receipt. We expect it to come and presently we are simply tracking the package until deliverance day 😉

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Here is some of the church’s oops I meant Jupiter’s final pictures before leaving “the womb of Virgo”.



Image Credits: NASA/JPL-Caltech/SwRI/MSSS/ Gerald Eichstädt/Sean Doran

This series of enhanced-color images shows Jupiter up close and personal, as NASA’s Juno spacecraft performed its eighth flyby of the gas giant planet. The images were obtained by JunoCam. From left to right, the sequence of images taken on Sept. 1, 2017 from 3:03 p.m. to 3:11 p.m. PDT (6:03 p.m. to 6:11 p.m. EDT). At the times the images were taken, the spacecraft ranged from 7,545 to 14,234 miles (12,143 to 22,908 kilometers) from the tops of the clouds of the planet at a latitude range of -28.5406 to -44.4912 degrees.

Points of Interest include “Dalmatian Zone/Eye of Odin,” “Dark Eye/STB Ghost East End,” “Coolest Place on Jupiter,” and “Renslow/Hurricane Rachel.” The final image in the series on the right shows Jupiter’s south pole coming into view.” (

Priestess of Isis conjouring Jupiter Serapis

The Triad Mythos, The Three Magi or The Three Stars in Leo?

Someone on my page I Don’t Care If Anyone Reads This brought up a few interesting thoughts about these hurricanes hitting the United States. He (Larson Messenger) first mentioned the Orions belt connection to the three hurricanes Irma, Katia and Jose. The placement of these hurricanes is reminiscent of orions belt. He then brought up the Osiris triad mythos. It made me think about the connection with the names Osiris (Harvey), Isis (Irma) and Horus (Jose or Joseph in English). Here is his comment. “My first thought on hearing about the three hurricanes was that they were Orion’s Belt, or the family of Osiris, Isis, and Horus. But now that I think about it these are probably representative of Mercury, Mars, and Venus”.

Let’s look at the Orions Belt conection first. Orion’s Belt or the Belt of Orion, also known as the Three Kings or Three Sisters. “The three belt stars were collectively known by many names in many cultures. Arabic terms include النجاد Al Nijād ‘the Belt’, النسك Al Nasak ‘the Line’, العلقات Al Alkāt ‘the Golden Grains or Nuts’ and, in modern Arabic, ميزان الحق Al Mīzān al Ḥaqq ‘the Accurate Scale Beam‘. In Chinese mythology they were known as The Weighing Beam…In pre-Christian Scandinavia, the belt was known as Frigg’s Distaff (Friggerock) or Freyja’s distaff.[15] Similarly Jacob’s Staff and Peter’s Staff were European biblical derived terms, as were the Three Magi, or the Three Kings. Väinämöinen’s Scythe (Kalevala) and Kalevan Sword are terms from Finnish mythology.” (

What is interesting about Orions belt is that it means a weighing beam or accurate scale beam. In light of me saying that this is a form of judgement whether its from the hand of GOD or performed by man, its a form of judgement. So the Orions Belt seems to be an interesting fit especially with the placement of the hurricanes and where orions belt is in the sky. The next interesting connection here is the Three Kings or Three Magi reference. Obviously we know that this represents the magi that went to see Jesus after He was born. You can also see these three magi showing up again at the door step of America who has proclaimed this false September 23rd sign. Are they coming to proclaim their false king? Don’t forget about the pyramid connection to Orions Belt called the christ angle on September 21st that these people are waiting for. 

When looking at the Osiris myth connection you can see the obvious with the father, mother and son. You have Osiris (Harvey), Isis (Irma) and Horus (Jose or Joseph in English). The one name that can indirectly be connected to this name game is Irma.

“The Category 5 hurricane bearing down on the Caribbean and Florida would have been called Irene just a few short years ago. Irma is the replacement name for Irene, which was officially retired in 2012 after the devastation the storm caused in Vermont and the region. There is a strict procedure established by the World Meteorological Organization for the naming of storms, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. For Atlantic hurricanes, there is a list of alternating male and female names which are used on a six-year rotation. In the event that more than 21 storms occur in a season, they switch to the Greek alphabet. Irma is currently on a path toward Puerto Rico, the Dominican Republic, Haiti and Cuba before possibly heading for Florida over the weekend.” ( Irene was a goddess of spring who represents Isis. The other 2 connections are based on the father and son.

The last thing I want to look at is his Mercury, Mars and Venus connection to Katia, Irma and Jose. The placement of these two signs is uncanning. Here are the connections to these planets. Katia means virgin. The virgin constellation is Virgo who’s ruling planet is Mercury. Irma the goddess of war was married to Mars according to mythology. So Irma was the wife of Mars, the god of war. And finally you have Jose or Joseph in English. Read what Deuteronomy says about Joseph.

Deuteronomy 33:16  And for the precious things of the earth and fulness thereof, and for the good will of him that dwelt in the bush: let the blessing come upon the head of Joseph, and upon the top of the head of him that was separated from his brethren. 17  His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.

This could be describing the constellation Taurus with its two horns of Ephraim and Manasseh. And according to astrology Taurus is ruled by Venus. So according to scripture, astrology and mythology there seems to be a conection with Katia and Mercury, Irma and Mars and Jose (Joseph) and Venus. Not only that, the placements of them is much like Orions belt. Who would’ve thought?

So just maybe this is the beginning of the scales of judgement from Orions Belt hitting the South of the United States? Maybe its the “three magi” proclaiming this false king to be born on September 9th? Are we seeing what is happening spiritually manifesting itself in the physical? We may just be. And its not looking good.

The difference between ὤφθη, εἶδον and ὄψονται

The main argument from the 9/23 Rapture Cult is that this sign from Revelation 12:1 is the rapture. Some have even back pedeled away from it and make the claim that if the rapture doesn’t happen on September 21-23 then it will happen by the first of October or by December 1st. Some have even said that it could be the start of their “7 year tribulation”. I disagree with all those theories. I’ll say it a million times, its not a good sign and its an occult event only to decieve Christians.

They look at all kinds of disinformation and will continue to disregard the actual Greek text and wording of scripture. One particular person who has commented on my original post continued to say prophetic literature was written in different tenses and moods in the Greek but refuses to explain what he means and answer my main point. That being…Why would John use one specific form of a word that was in the Passive (Past Tense as he saw it when writing it) form and use the same word in a different form in the following chapter as Active (something Future and continuing at the time he wrote it)? Let’s look at the Greek of these verses.

Below is from the Recieved Text or Textus Receptus of 1550. This stream of Greek is where we get the KJV. In contrast to this text is the Tischendorf 8th Edition where he translated from the Sinaiticus. Tish found this text in the trash at a Greek Monastery. Wescott and Hort and Nestle and Aland used this text along with many others to get modern translations like the NIV and many others. 

In order for one to believe that the Revelation 12:1 & 3 signs are for a future event, one would need to stick to Tischendorfs Sinaiticus manuscript which falls right in line with the Vatican made “rapture” theory. Below we see verses Revelation 12:1 & 3 in regards to what John SAW or should I say was seen ie passive ie past tense. Underneath these verses is Tischendorfs falsified documents. 

Revelation 12:1

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550

Καὶ σημεῖον μέγα ὤφθη ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ γυνὴ περιβεβλημένη τὸν ἥλιον καὶ ἡ σελήνη ὑποκάτω τῶν ποδῶν αὐτῆς καὶ ἐπὶ τῆς κεφαλῆς αὐτῆς στέφανος ἀστέρων δώδεκα

Tischendorf 8th Edition

καί σημεῖον μέγας ὁράω ἐν ὁ οὐρανός γυνή περιβάλλω ὁ ἥλιος καί ὁ σελήνη ὑποκάτω ὁ πούς αὐτός καί ἐπί ὁ κεφαλή αὐτός στέφανος ἀστήρ δώδεκα

Revelation 12:3

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550

καὶ ὤφθη ἄλλο σημεῖον ἐν τῷ οὐρανῷ καὶ ἰδού, δράκων μέγας πυρρός ἔχων κεφαλὰς ἑπτὰ καὶ κέρατα δέκα καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτοῦ διαδήματα ἑπτὰ

Tischendorf 8th Edition

καί ὁράω ἄλλος σημεῖον ἐν ὁ οὐρανός καί ὁράω δράκων πυῤῥός μέγας ἔχω κεφαλή ἑπτά καί κέρας δέκα καί ἐπί ὁ κεφαλή αὐτός ἑπτά διάδημα

As you can see, John used ὤφθη ((ōphthē – was seen) as a Aorist Indicative Passive in the 3rd person in the Textus Receptus manuscripts. Matter of fact, almost every Greek text used this same word except for Tischendorfs 8th Edition from the Sinaiticus. He used ὁράω which is in the Indicative Active and is actually the root word horaó. The way he wrote it was in the Future tense and the Vatican Jesuits loved it. In all of the other manuscripts, including W&H’s blasphemous texts, it was passive. This is where these texts got it right for once.

Now if John wanted to use this word for something seen in a future or active tense for the Greek, he would’ve wrote the word in a active future tense or a future tense. The active future tense of this word for “seen or saw” looks like this, εἶδον (eidon). Ironically John did use the future active tense of this word in Revelation, and he used it 45 times. The active future form of this word εἶδον was used 45 times compared to ὤφθη, the passive or past tense form used only 3 times. Now I need to correct something on my last paper on this. According to the W&H, Nestle and other texts, this word εἶδον (eidon) is used in Revelation 13:1. Tischendorf still uses ὁράω. The problem with this is that these mentioned manuscripts completely leave out the opening sentence in 13:1. 

Revelation 13:1

 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy (KJV)

Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550

Καὶ ἐστάθην ἐπὶ τὴν ἄμμον τῆς θαλάσσης καὶ εἶδον ἐκ τῆς θαλάσσης θηρίον ἀναβαῖνον ἔχον κεφαλὰς ἑπτά καὶ κέρατα δέκα καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν κεράτων αὐτοῦ δέκα διαδήματα καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτοῦ ὀνόμα βλασφημίας

Nestle GNT 1904

Καὶ εἶδον ἐκ τῆς θαλάσσης θηρίον ἀναβαῖνον, ἔχον κέρατα δέκα καὶ κεφαλὰς ἑπτά, καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν κεράτων αὐτοῦ δέκα διαδήματα, καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτοῦ ὀνόματα βλασφημίας.

Westcott and Hort 1881

Καὶ εἶδον ἐκ τῆς θαλάσσης θηρίον ἀναβαῖνον, ἔχον κέρατα δέκα καὶ κεφαλὰς ἑπτά, καὶ ἐπὶ τῶν κεράτων αὐτοῦ δέκα διαδήματα, καὶ ἐπὶ τὰς κεφαλὰς αὐτοῦ ὀνόματα βλασφημίας.

So these other manuscripts leave out a sentence all together and the word for saw, εἶδον (eidon) is used in the active future form. Something that would be present in John’s day that would continue into the future. That should put to sleep a future 1st and 2nd beast theory…but it won’t according to some.

The actual true Future tense of the word for this same word for “seen or saw” was used by John a few times in Revelation. You can see it in Revelation 1:7 the Future Indicative Middle tense of ὄψεται (opsetai). Its also in Revelation 22:4 with ὄψονται (opsontai). These two words are used for Jesus’ second coming for a future time. The Greek wasn’t foriegn to John when he wrote this word for something he saw in a dream or vision whether it be for a future time or something in the past. It was either past tense with something that happened prior to him seeing what he saw or it was something active while he was writing Revelation and continuing or for the a future event at the time of him writing Revelation. 

All of these words come from the root word horaó. John clearly knew how to differentiate between something that happened in the past, something that was actively happening and would to continue to happen in the future and something that was strictly for a future time. According to the Greek text, Revelation 12:1,3 was based off of something that had happened in the past. If John wanted to say that the Revelation 12 signs were for a future event then he would have used either ὄψεται of Revelation 1:7 or ὄψονται in Revelation 22:4. He didn’t. That’s why Revelation 12:1 is the birth of Jesus and not some “rapture” of the Church. To believe its for a future time and the “rapture” of the church then you need to follow the corrupted Sinaiticus and the Vatican. Which they do.

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