Where did the Mother/Child cult originate from?

This will be hard to digest for some. This is not a “Thus saith the Lord” when talking about Cain but it is a concern with what “could’ve” taken place. As I was doing this research for the three (four) bulls of Enoch I had read something interesting. Let’s take a look at what it says. 

The Book of Enoch [Chapter 85]

Before I took thy mother Edna, I saw in a vision on my bed, and behold a bull came forth from the earth, and that bull was white; and after it >>came forth a heifer<<, and along with this (latter) came forth two bulls, one of them black and 4 the other red. And that black bull gored the red one and pursued him over the earth, and thereupon 5 I could no longer see that red bull. But that black bull grew and >>that heifer went with him<<, and 6 I saw that many oxen proceeded from him which resembled and followed him. And >>that cow<<, that first one, went from the presence of that first bull in order to seek that red one, but found him 7 not, and lamented with a great lamentation over him and sought him. And I looked till that first 8 bull came to >>her and quieted her<<, and from that time onward >>she cried no more<<. And >>after that she bore another white bull<<, and after him she bore many bulls and black cows. 

Ok. So I placed the >> << for reference of what I want to talk about here. Like I mentioned in the “three bulls” study, Adam is the (white bull), Eve the (heifer), Able the (red bull) & Cain the (black bull). So now that we know the players in this story I want to first say that I’ve never really gotten interested in the Book of Enoch. I don’t actually see it as inspired and God breathed in the sense of the Gospels and the other 62 books of the Bible but I do see it in the historical sense inspired. I personally would compare Enoch to the Books of Jasher and Jubilees and the some other Apocryphal books like Maccabees, ect. I think they are excellent resources in the historical context just like Josephus is. 

Now I wrote a paper in December (https://m.facebook.com/idontcareifanyonereadsthis/photos/a.519935928115964.1073741828.519754571467433/1048171078625777/?type=3) speculating that Noah’s nakedness that Ham “saw” was actually explained in Leviticus. This nakedness was actually Ham having sex with his mother. I know, how dare anyone say this right? Well its true. Right now I am 100% positive that this is what this scripture meant when it said Ham saw his fathers nakedness. I also speculated that this is where the Mother/Child cult started and it wasn’t started with Nimrod/Semiramis like everyone thinks. I do believe Nimrod and his mother got this idea from Ham and Naamah (Noah’s wife) and this sort of thing opened Nimrod up to be a gibburim or mighty man. Tradition also states that Ham at the time, had taken the skins or mantle of Adam that Noah had been handed down to him over the generations. Tradition also says that Nimrod had gotten these same skins of Adam. I personally also believe that their is a lot of confusion as to giving Nimrod credit for something that was done by Ham. Nimrod was the first known tyrant king after the flood as was Cain prior to the flood.

Like I said, I believed at the time that this Mother/Child cult started with Ham/Naamah (and notice the wife’s name, naaMAH with HAM backwards) and according to this phrase “nakedness of the father” in Leviticus 20, I think its a slam dunk. But there is more to it as to why this “theory” works in favor of Naamah having incestial relations with her son. So let me put a nail in the coffin. The Website Genesis and Genetics “are convinced that Naamah was, indeed, Noah’s wife. Here is our reasoning: (a)  She is the last one mentioned in the line of Cain before the flood. (b)  Generally, in Biblical lineages, only the men are listed. In the case of Naamah, not only is she listed but also, her father and mother are included. This implies that she is a very important person in our family tree. (c)  Some Jewish traditions cite Naamah as Noah’s wife (see below). (d)  There was a town in Canaan conquered by Joshua named Naamah. Biblical towns are generally named after the men, but this one was named after a woman: Naamah.” (http://www.genesisandgenetics.org/2016/04/21/noahs-wife/)

Let’s reference each point from above. (A) Genesis 4:22  “And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.” This was prior to Lamech telling his two wives that he had killed a man and if Cain should be avenged seven fold, he should bebe avenged seventy-seven fold. And let me also point out that at that time for Cain, God had marked him so that no man could kill him. I speculate that this is because Cain’s offspring Naamah needed to be on that ark and accomplish what God had preordained with Ham and Caanan. (B) you can refer to the above scripture. Also take note “One of the four women whose names are preserved in the records of the world before the flood; all except Eve being Cainites.” (http://biblehub.com/topical/n/naamah.htm)

When looking at these Jewish sources from (c) and see what was really going on here. “According to the Rabbis, Naamah was Noah’s wife; as her name indicates, her actions were pleasing (ne’imim—Gen. Rabbah 23:3). According to another view, however, she acted improperly, for she beat on a drum and drew people to engage in idolatry, and her musical activity increased corruption among people. This tradition is apparently connected with a different interpretation of the name Naamah, from ne’imah (melody and song) (Targum Pseudo-Jonathan on Gen. 4:22). The midrash (Midrash ha-Gadol, Gen. Rabbah 4:22) relates that Naamah was the most beautiful woman in the world, so much so that she caused the ministering angels to fall prey to her loveliness for they thought she was one of them. As it is said (Gen. 6:2): “The sons of God saw how beautiful the daughters of men were.” The late Midrash and the Zohar developed the figure of Naamah as a seducer of men and even of demons. Naamah was the wife of Shamadon and the union with this fiend produced Asmodeus (Ashmedai), the king of the demons. It is also related that Naamah and Lilith harm infants and abuse people in their sleep (Zohar, Bereshit 4:7).” (https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/naamah-midrash-and-aggadah) We can see that according to these sources that Naamah was very beautiful and seductive (literally means loveliness). In almost every account when reading about Semiramis (which by the way she isn’t mentioned in the Bible), you will read this same thing about her. So to me, it’s obvious that Naamah/Ham was more than likely the archetype for Semiramis/Nimrod. (D) Joshua 15:41 “And Gederoth, Bethdagon, and Naamah, and Makkedah; sixteen cities with their villages:” Also notice that Makkedah is familiar with how Makka (Mecca) is sometimes spelled. This may not mean anything but I thought I’d bring it up anyways.

But this is where I think this story may take a turn for the worse. Lets go back to the Book of Enoch. “a bull came forth from the earth, and that bull was white; and after it >>came forth a heifer<<, and along with this (latter) came forth two bulls, one of them black and 4 the other red. And that black bull gored the red one and pursued him over the earth, and thereupon 5 I could no longer see that red bull. But that black bull grew and >>that heifer went with him<<, and 6 I saw that many oxen proceeded from him which resembled and followed him. And >>that cow<<, that first one, went from the presence of that first bull in order to seek that red one, but found him 7 not, and lamented with a great lamentation over him and sought him. And I looked till that first 8 bull came to >>her and quieted her<<, and from that time onward >>she cried no more<<. And >>after that she bore another white bull<<, and after him she bore many bulls and black cows.” 

According to Enoch, we see that Adam the white bull came from the earth. Genesis confirms this with Adam being made from the dust of the earth. After this we see that eve the heifer, came forth after Adam. Then they had two sons, Cain (black bull) and Abel (red bull), where Cain actually murdered Abel. Once again, Genesis confirms Enoch’s vision. We see after this that Cain the Black bull grew and had gotten older and the heifer, Eve, went with him (Cain) for a period of time until the White bull (Adam) came to console her. Prior to that it said that many oxen (offspring) came from the black bull and resembled him.  So what does this all mean exactly? 

I don’t want to read into this and I searched the internet high and low and couldn’t find anything written with what I’m about to say. But I think the million dollar scholarly question pertaining to Cain has always been, “who was Cains wife?” Well, according to Enoch, it looks like she (Eve) had went with her son Cain to maybe search for Abel and maybe something happened for whatever reason. What am I saying? Well according to Enoch, we may have the beginning of this Mother/Child cult. We know that Adam and Eve were the first parents of creation and its obvious that we see brothers marrying sisters in this scenario. For whatever reason, God allowed this to happen. But would he allow a Son (Cain) to see the nakedness of his father like Ham did with Noah? Well it looks like it might have happened. Remember these few things, sin came into the world through Adam who ate from this tree because Eve was decieved by the nachash. Adam still takes full responsibilIty for his actions.And just for the record, I think the serpent seed doctrine of William BranHAM is heresy. Eve did not have sex with the nachash and produce Cain, scripture is clear that Cain was the offspring of his parents Adam and Eve.

I also want to point out that according to tradition, Adam and Eve both knew of the Mazzaroth and His gospel spelled out in the stars. These stars, Moon and Sun were made to be signs in the Heavens if you remember. It is said that God showed Adam and Eve after the fall how the Messiah would redeem creation that was at that point cursed by sin. She knew that the Messiah would come from her seed and God proclaimed this at their fall from grace. Satan couldn’t get to her any other way but to corrupt the bloodline that the Messiah would come from and I’m assuming that since Cain killed Abel, this was his chance to corrupt this seed of the women. He knew this prophecy of Genesis 3. Little did he (Satan) know, that the original bull (Adam) would come back for her and console her and they would have a white bull (Seth) who would be the seed and bloodline of the Messiah, Jesus. But notice, it says she bore many bulls and BLACK cows. This is according to Enoch.

So, how do we take this? Do we poo poo it and write it off as unscriptural and still assume Cain took one of his sisters (or Abel’s daughters) as a wife or maybe there was some pre-antideluvian society and that’s where Cains wife came from? Well there are problems with those theories because there is not one piece of scriptural evidence that supports those claims. It doesnt say Adam and Eve had any other children until Seth and Adam was the first man ever created from the dust of the earth. There was no other race of “humans” because if there were, well then God is a liar…and we know that He is not. But…if Enoch is true, then we see one witness as to what may have actually happened. So with all that said, was this the beginning of the Mother/Child cult?

Let me add this about Cain also. It says that the heifer (Eve) went with him and she was looking for the red bull (Abel). If this is true, Cain knew good and well that they were never going to find his brother. I mean come one, he already lied to God and acted l like he didn’t even know what was going on. The scriptures tell us he murdered his brother Abel and some traditions actually say that he took it one step further and ate his brother. I would even speculate that out of hatred towards God for not according his offering that he sacrificed his own brother. This makes compete sense to me. Then he ate him in rebellion to the Most High God. And think about this, cainandabel. Say that fast. Now say cannibal. Some scholars believe this is where cannibalism actually started, with Cain eating Abel. And I agree with them. Even the term Hannibal is associated with cannibalism.

Cain was evil as were his bloodline. “Nay, even while Adam was alive, it came to pass that the posterity of Cain became exceedingly wicked, every one successively dying one after the other, more wicked than the former. They were intolerable in war, and vehement in robberies; and if any one were slow to murder people, yet was he bold in his profligate behaviour, in acting unjustly, and doing injury for gain.” (Josephus-Antiquities of the Jews, A.D. 93) Cains grandson, also named Enoch (ironically there are two Enoch’s on each side of these bloodlines) and his descendant Tubal Cain was evil, a man of weaponry. war and is also revered in Freemasonry. His name in Freemasonry is the secret password for the Third Degree Master Mason and has sexual connotations to them (two ball cane).  Now also notice how closely related Cain’s descendants Jabal, Jubal and  Tubal is with the name Hubal, the Mesopotamian god. Not only that, Hubal is spelled identical to Abel in the Hebrew. Was Cain and his descendants commemorating the first murder of Abel by reminding people that the god they serve was spiritually responsible for influencing Cain to commit this act? Is this use of the name Hubal throwing this back in God’s face and this is one reason why Freemasons venerate Tubal Cain out of all people? Hows that for a mind twister? Cain is the first man born from man and woman who commits the first murder and this is the god that they have worshipped over the years, Hubal. 

And this brings us back to Naamah. Noah’s wife. Tubal Cain and Naamah were brother and sister and their grandfather was Cain the murderer. She too was of that wicked one Cain (1 John 3:12). Now have you ever wondered why Noah cursed his grandson when that event happened? Well he couldn’t curse someone God had already blessed. Ham received a blessing just like his other brothers and this blessing was directly from God prior to all of this happening. When Noah found out what had been done, he cursed Caanan, his own grandson that came from this relationship but didn’t curse Ham. And why is this grandsons name so closely related to Cane in the English language? Was Ham naming this son in honor of Cain and what he had done with his mother? Did he actually know what could happen spiritually when this type of “nakedness” takes place? Did he know the kind of spiritual doors that this would 0pen? He had to have known that his mother Naamah was the granddaughter of Cain right? Was he hoping that the Messiah would come from his bloodline like Cain originally had hoped for? I guess Ham didn’t have a clue that his bloodline would birth the false messiah with his son being a race of giants and his great grandson becoming the archetype of the Antichrist. So let me ask again, did the Mother/Child cult start a lot sooner than we are told and Nimrod/Semiramis and Ham/Naamah were just trying to birth the messiah through this twisted sexual incestial ritual. Have we been fed an alternate version of history like so many other things? Were Canaan and Tammuz only copies of Lamech (5th descendent of Cain that means “powerful”) and what was to come?

A few last things. Here is how the genealogy of Cains descendants reads from Cain to Naamah. This is what I found. “The spear dedicated (inaugurated) to the (wild ass) fugitive who was smitten (wiped out) by God, who is a (false) god and powerful, who will be brought (the offspring) of Cain (spear) and beautiful.” This sounds like this man of sin who comes in this antichrist spirit now doesn’t it? Its the opposite and quite different from Adam to Noah’s genealogy now isn’t it? This talks about Jesus coming and His Redemption. This comes from Chuck Missler. “Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.” (http://www.khouse.org/articles/1996/44/)

Let me add this also. I understand that this is from the blasphemous Mormon “bible and doctrines and covenants” but I thought it was a conversation I should bring up between Satan and Cain.  “29 And Satan said unto Cain: Swear unto me by thy throat, and if thou tell it thou shalt die; and swear thy brethren by their heads, and by the living God, that they tell it not; for if they tell it, they shall surely die; and this that thy father may not know it; and this day I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands. 30 And Satan sware unto Cain that he would do according to his commands. And all these things were done in secret. 31 And Cain said: Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain. Wherefore Cain was called Master Mahan, and he gloried in his wickedness.” (Moses 5) According to the Mormons, Cain cut an oath with Satan and tell me that this doesn’t look like the oaths that Master Masons are made to take. The slitting of the throat.

Here is the original post to Noah nakedness.


If someone said “someone was stabbing me in the back” or I have to “walk on egg shells” when talking to this person, we know that they literally didn’t have to wall on egg shells or literally had gotten stabbed in the back right? These are just idioms that people use to get their point across. Jesus used parables which are similiar to idioms. Check out this blog to understand how these types of sayings were also used in the Bible. (https://www.realityisnotoptional.com/2011/05/29/was-canaan-the-child-of-ham-and-noah%E2%80%99s-wife/amp/)

Now I said all of this to ask this question. Did the mother/child cult originate with Nimrod like we are told? This time of year (December) we see every kind of meme possible to prove this. And there is no question that this mother/child cult was in almost every civilization at that point and then later. That is a fact. But this raises another question (that’s not really relevant to this paper). Why can’t scholars agree if Nimrod married his mother or sister? Anyways, back to the original question. Did this mother/child cult originate with Nimrod or did it start before that? Did Nimrod know something about this type of incest with family members that he needed to keep his bloodline “pure”. Or did he think that by doing this would somehow do something spiritually for them in a “positive” way. I don’t know either way…I’m just asking questions here.

Now let me propose that Nimrod was only copying what he had heard that his grandfather Ham had done. Lets go to Chapter 9 of Genesis. 

 20  And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: 21  And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. 22  And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without 23  And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.24  And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him 25  And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

I first want to point out that people who read this literally think everything happened in between verses 20-25 right after another with no time lapse in between. I disagree. Moses wrote it as he knew it and didn’t give us dates on when these things took place. We see that after the flood Noah plants a vineyard. It can take up to three years to produce viable grapes. This is only if you have sunlight, well drained soil, proper pruning and few other environmental factors that fall into place. So with that said there was at least a 2-3 year period that was in between verse 21 and 22. You will see why I mention this in a second. So we know that Noah had gotten drunk a few years later after planting his vineyard. He was enjoying his harvest evidently.

Now most scholars hold to the view that Noah got drunk, became uncovered and that’s when Ham did some sort of homosexual act to his father. No where in the text did it insinuate any of this and this is pure conjecture and assumptions. This is also bad eisegesis at the hands of most scholars and teachers. Notice I say eisegesis and not exegesis. Now Moses doesn’t tell us what exactly happens with Noah and Ham until later on when he writes down Leviticus. He gives us a clue with a simple idiom. “And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father”. What does this idiom mean. Most take this to be literal like I mentioned already but is it to be taken literally? Before we move on I want to point this out too. The text says Ham, the father of Canaan all in one breathe. Another assumption is that Canaan is alive at this time when Moses is taking about this particular event. It has been said that Ham had at least 4 sons and that Canaan was the youngest. So at the time of this happening, Canaan wasn’t even born yet. 

Now let’s get back to this phrase or idiom “the nakedness of his father”. We can find this in Leviticus 20:11. “And the man that lieth with his father’s wife hath uncovered his father’s nakedness: both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Here we see this same idiom which means in plain English to sleep with your own mother. This is incest. We see in Leviticus that both the mother and the son were to be put to death. We knew that Ham didn’t die because God had already blessed him prior to all of this happening. God cannot curse what He has already blessed. And Noah cant curse someone God has already blessed so he went next in line, his grandson or maybe in this case, his step son. As far as Noahs wife goes, we don’t know what happened to her. Scripture does not say. 

You can see in 1 Samuel 20:40, Ezekiel 16:36 and Habbukkuk 2:15 that nakedness is associated with sexual relations. With anothers mother, father, brother, sister is specifically incest, which is forbidden. So according to this, it looks like Noah got drunk, passed out and Ham had sex with his own mother. To me personally, this looks like the beginning of the mother/child cult. Is this where Nimrod got this sexual perversion from? Did Nimrod know the story of his grandfather (Ham), who let me add –  according to tradition, stole Adams skins that God had given him in the garden, from his father Noah. Is there a demonic connection to incest and having these skins? These were the skins from the animal that God had to sacrifice in place of Adam’s sins. These were in fact his atonement skins that would now be his covering until the Messiah would become this covering for sin.

When Ham did “this” he went and told his brothers and they tried to handle it. But we see that Noah had found out. How did he find out? It says he knew. Did his sons tell him? His wife? Now here is another example where most believe that this was right after this event happened. It may have been as far as timing goes. I would say, maybe it was 9 months later. Is this when Noah saw his wife give birth to a son? Let’s just speculate and say Canaan had 6 fingers and 6 toes when he was born. He was the father of the Canaanites who were a race of giants. Joshua had to get through them in order to get to the promise land. This event is when Canaan was cursed and Ham wasn’t. Remember, God can’t curse what he had already blessed. Now here is where it gets interesting about Noahs wife.

There are two theories to what Noahs wifes name is. Emzara is one and Jewish tradition says Naamah was his wifes name. Her name means pleasent and she was related to Cain. “A descendant of Cain, she was the only mentioned daughter of Lamech and Zillah and their youngest child; her brother was Tubal-cain, while Jabal and Jubal were her half-brothers, sons of Lamech’s other wife Adah. However, a Sethite Naamah is named as the wife of Noah, and a daughter of Enoch, Noah’s grandfather, in the mediaeval midrash Parry, J. H. (ed.). “5:15″. Book of Jasher. Translated by Moses, Samuel..The 17th century theologian John Gillidentified Naamah instead with the name of the wife of Ham, son of Noah, whom he believed may have become confused with Noah’s wife. ” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naamah_(Genesis)) The midrash Bereshit Rabba also says she played music, a drum specifically, to accompany idolatry worship. Remember, the Bible says Noah was in right standing or righteous before God, not his whole family.

The Zohar says that Naamah was a demon. Here is what wikipedia says. “Naamah appears in the Zohar as one of the mates of the archangel Samael. She, along with her cohort Lilith, causes epilepsy in children. After Cain kills Abel, Adam separates from Eve for 130 years. During this time, Lilith and Naamah visit him and bear his demonic children, who became the Plagues of Mankind. (Zohar 3:76b-77a). In another story from the Zohar, Naamah corrupts Ouza and Azrael. (Zohar: Genesis: Chapter XXXII)” Now I don’t believe Noahs wife was related to this demon but you never know. I don’t believe this demon had sex with Adam like the Zohar teaches. I will say that.

So tradition says Naamah was a descendant from Cain and Ham named his son after his mothers descendant for a reason. Is this where the giants seed came from? I think so and this incest only made things worse from then on. So…if Canaan came from incest and this was Nimrods uncle and relatives, maybe Nimrod knew this and wanted to have control of the family “fortune”. I’m sure there was fighting within the family. So did he do what his grandfather did with his own mother and wanted to bore giants also. He was a giant killer and what better way to kill them but have a family of them. And is this somehow related to Nimrod “becoming mighty”? A lot of questions but not many answers now is there? Im just speculating on some of this but that is no different than what you have to do in order to believe there was a homosexual relations between a father and a son. Now a spiritual application about this nakedness that Jesus talks about is not incest. But its whoring yourself off to idols and false gods. He tells us to nut be naked (spiritually) at His return. This is why.

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